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Merge separate articles into Floors and Walls?[edit]

Currently, there are 24 separate articles about the different types of material. Except for the Perimeter Wall, there's obviously not much to say about any one of those. Is there anything to be said against merging those into only two articles, Floors and Walls, like it was already done for Doors (and Windows)? --YMS (talk) 11:39, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Well, I personally don't really like the Doors article. I appreciate separated pages for each entry, like index cards. I find it clearer than a merged article. --TiRARdisk 12:09, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
I see more advantages in having all the information at a glance instead of separate pages. However, if you oppose the merge, then I don't see a need to do it. --YMS (talk) 12:22, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

fast route[edit]

"However, they will not use longer routers to use faster paths." Is that really true? I noticed that they do use faster paths on their way to the workplace, although the way is longer. When going back and idle, then it seems they use the shortest, direct way. --TiRARdisk 18:57, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

You're probably right. I took the info from http://bugs.introversion.co.uk/view.php?id=4136 and don't remember if and how I rechecked it. --YMS (talk) 19:13, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
The bug was reported over one year ago. I'll remove the statement as it seems to be fixed now or maybe only happened under certain circumstances. If you object, please revert. --TiRARdisk 07:31, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Materials and separate articles once again[edit]

Starting a new topic cuz the other one is old, from 2015.

I am about to update materials by adding missing ones (there's a lot) and update the article structure itself. Menubox with all the materials listed - not gonna lie - I want to remove it. This is the only place (?) where this kind of menu box is used and it's just lame.

All the other articles that are some sort of list (staff, rooms, items etc.) use tables and this one should use one as well. I personally dislike tables and prefer every single thing to have its own article but uhh. Sometimes there's not much to write in description and article is just an infobox with something like "This is grass. It's green". So the plan is to have all the materials to be listed in a table, on one page. What with separate articles like Dirt? Redirections? The problem with redirections is search engines and well.. no result if you search for something that's just in a table. Search results for content on this wiki are crap in general - we don't have any meta descriptions for articles so I really dunno what to do. BadAim (talk) 01:16, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Something has changed and some articles actually have some sort of description in Google results. So that's good. I also checked some of the material articles and noticed that the description of most of the things is very good. So the plan has changed and now I want to replace menubox with table and have all the materials listed with just basic info like cost, walk speed etc. and no description (or short). Each material will keep their separate article with more info.
That should be the best solution. I will start reorganizing this page soon so if anyone has any objections, let me know. BadAim (talk)
You can add "id" to a row in table and redirect to a specific row. I would avoid the article + table. That would cause duplication and maintenance overhead which is to be avoided when possible. Users don't benefit by going over many small articles when all that info could be presented in a single location (and still be considered small). If you don't want to use a table then group a bunch of infobox.v2 together using {{box wrapper}} -- see my sandbox for example. ~ SolSys (talk) 20:35, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
I am confused now. These infoboxes - they look fine but for materials it would be just too many and table makes more sense, especially when we use tables everywhere else. If I make a table with everything listed, the IDs you mentioned (done by me in some places already) would work but what with search results if I search for let's say "Prison Architect Grass"? It would not return any (Just for fandom wiki if they have an article about it). I wonder what happens if we add redirection to these articles like Grass but leave the article content. I guess spiderbots would not be able to index it would they?
Also long description in tables does not look that good either. I think it would be the best to keep both, Materials article with table and everything listed (no description, basic stuff only) and separate articles for each of the material type as well. Keeping these things updated should not be a big problem since they never get changed in the game. Hi! badAim 22:15, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Materials Page Update (March 5, 2020)[edit]

This is a short summary of the update to this page I just made.

The biggest and the most important change is obviously the addition of new tables and removal of the old menuBox which I personally find useless. All the materials were listed in the footer (still are, always'll be) and menuBox was doing exactly the same thing, just with icons. Pointless.

New article has all the materials listed in two tables: one for walls and the other one for flooring. The information they contain is just basic stuff. I want to keep the separate articles like Grass and create missing ones as soon as I have a moment. There should not be any problems with maintenance (updating two places) because these actually do not change like ever. Keeping separate articles has also one big plus which is search results and that's one of the main reasons why I want to keep 'em.

Content of the article is updated but I gotta review it one more time. There could be something I missed (new mechanic etc.). It will be done after the upcoming update is released. Hi! badAim 22:37, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Water no longer blocks tunnels?[edit]

I've had multiple instances of prisoners tunneling under water "floors" which were artificially constructed. Specifically, they have tunneled under both 1-thick and 3-thick "moats" of water. Can anyone else confirm this behavior? If so, I may edit the description on this page, on the water page, and in the escape tunnel page to reflect this. I don't mind saying that I felt like a bit of an idiot when a team of prisoners escaped because I just used a moat and fences, no perimeter walls, and I'd like to spare others the experience.

104.194.220.153 17:18, 12 October 2020 (UTC)